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    Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 4787)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 02 Oct 2004 Posted by former foreign expert in China

    Frankly, I was not going to make any contribution to this site but quite accidentally I happened to read the most interesting polemics between two former Yang-En ‘university’ (Quanzhou, Fujian, China) teachers, both of whom I know personally, and I could not help it. Well, here it goes: Mr. Grant: It gets very cold in the winter with poor insulation and concrete floors. Mr. Wang: Wear extra layers of clothes and don't go bare feet. Mr. Grant:....

    Re: Yang-En �university� guards did beat a teacher (views: 4095)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 22 Apr 2007
    Posted by Dennis Van UYE

    To whom it may concern. I can't believe that this story is still being put up on forums. I have been at YEU since september 2006 and believe me, life is not a prison, nor are the hardships as explained by some people that complain here. 1: the story about someone being beat up is represented in a very partial way, not relating the truth with the aim of grinding an axe. Too much crap has been spawned to continue this story and I think that like ev....

    Yang En is a wonderful place to teach (views: 4191)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 24 Sep 2007
    Posted by Geoff & Sandy

    We are a husband and wife who have each spent 30 years teaching in Canada. We taught at Yang-En University in 2004/05 school year and again in 2006/07. We are distressed by some of the comments that we have read on-line because we feel that teaching at Yang- En was in many ways the most rewarding two years that we have spent in our 30+ years of teaching. It certainly was the highlight of our career. Yang-En is located about forty-five minutes fro....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 5028)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Nov 2006
    Posted by Herb Smith

    I read with some interest the comments from persons comlaining about Yang'en University. I taught marketing and management, in English, for several years. I had no real problems with the university administration, except a young party cadre by the name of Wang Ming, whom no one trusted and everyone knew was a spy. The only time the Uniersity and I had serious odds was during the SARS lockdown; after two weeks, I did my ugly American routine and w....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3647)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 02 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    Thanks John for a little dose of reality in this thread. Certainly life in China is not like life in Canada. China is noisy and polluted, with temperature extremes. It is also energetic, bustling, beautiful in places, unique, with generally friendly, helpful, generous, hardworking people who are intensely patriotic. I'm heading back to Canada in a month and I will have more positive remembrances of Yang En and teaching in China than negative ones....

    www.tefl.cc & partners are frauds too *NM* (views: 3834)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 19 Jul 2005
    Posted by Mark


    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 4191)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 19 Jul 2005
    Posted by Alistair Browning

    When reading the discussion concerning Yang-En University in China I noticed that the people who say Yang-En University is a good place write mostly in very general terms, avoiding details, while those who warn other people about it are normally more specific. Real nasty things seem to have happened there: violent students’ riots: Yang-En students storming and destroying Yang-En guard’s house, Yang-En guards battering a teacher, the now famou....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3959)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 20 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    Where to begin? “people who say Yang-En University is a good place write mostly in very general terms, avoiding details, while those who warn other people about it are normally more specific.” Like where? Stories about a riot and a teacher beating have been on the internet for years. But I have never seen a name – just who is the teacher who was beaten? Or failing that, a date – give me a month and a year of the incidents so I can get an ....

    Re: More details for and about Joe Foley (views: 4003)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 23 Jul 2005
    Posted by Ken

    I was there when the teacher was beaten. It happened in October 2003, got it? Now I am waiting for Joe Foley to act as he promised, if he doesn’t want to be called a liar by me too. Don’t believe that jerk folks, when I was at Yang-en there were a few among us who were paid by the administration to spy on us and to encourage us to be happy. They have spies among the students too. Just be careful in case you decide to go there. Look at that on....

    Re: More details for and about Joe Foley (views: 4173)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 25 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    I have emailed Ken to get more details about the incident in October 2003. I will also ask about it with someone I'm meeting today. I will let you know the results of the email and the conversation later. I would also like Ken to elaborate as to why his experiences of about 2 years ago are more valid than my experiences of admittedly, only one recent term at Yang En. As for the assertion that I am some kind of administration spy, I wish I could g....

    Yang En Incident - "The rest of the story" (views: 3955)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 08 Aug 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    So, Ken, here is what I found out about the incident at Yang En University after receiving a specific date to work with. I was able to talk with a student who was attending the university at that time and an administrator at the university (I know some will want to discount his version, but I can only say that he is the man who interviewed me by phone before I got the job, signed the contract that hired me, and signed off on the contract when it ....

    Re: Yang En Incident - "The rest of the story" (views: 3986)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 09 Aug 2005
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    Seems like maybe there is an infinite space within the words "a physical confrontation ensued". As in, Who started it? Or maybe, How "physical" did it get? The most telling part of this story got left extremely vague... However, I'm sure Yang En would only tell the truth. If applicable, they'd doubtless come right out and say "Yeah, OK, our guards beat up a foreign teacher. But we're really sorry and all, and we promise it will never happen again....

    reality check (views: 3668)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 21 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    Just tried to contact Alistair by email to check him out - this was the response. From : Sent : July 21, 2005 2:57:48 PM To : ttjfoley@hotmail.com Subject : Delivery Status Notification (Failure) | | | Inbox This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. lstrbrowning@yahoo.com For some reason, some people posting about Yang En have the proverbial axe to grind. Yang En is not a perfect....

    Re: don't disagree with Alistair (views: 4026)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 22 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    Warning - don't disagree with Alistair. If you do, (s)he will spam you sending an email every 10 to 15 seconds to fill up your mail box. This means that I will no longer reply to emails from people I don't know, which is a pity because before this happened, one person thinking about going to Yang En did contact me to clarify some points. I guess 'democracy' doesn't apply in this web thread. So, in the interests of appeasing Alistair, I make the f....

    Re: Don’t answer Mr. Foley’s unsolicited messages – he prefers talking to himself!!! (views: 3818)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 22 Jul 2005
    Posted by Alistair Browning

    Isn’t it stupid Mr. Foley? First you complained you couldn’t contact me using my email address but when I wrote you back you became unhappy (even angry) again! Strange people indeed come to Yang-En university! Your message did not come through, my message did come through a few times – it’s the ‘virtual reality’ to blame. Calm down Sir. If you are that explosive how can you behave in classroom then? Anyway, sorry for the trouble – t....

    Re: Don’t answer Mr. Foley’s unsolicited messages (views: 4006)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 24 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    Of course, Alistair. At least you didn't deny that you sent the same message multiple times while giving yourself an email site that doesn't exist. Strange that in all my years on the web, this is the very first time it has happened. As to the other posting, I have emailed Ken to get more details from the October 2003 incident. I wait his reply with interest and will ask others. This is my last word to Alistair on the subject. ....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3395)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 11 Jun 2005
    Posted by Darth Bang

    I didn't read all of Mr. Wang's response, but it was funny, because he basically agrees, point by point with what Doug Grant says. Darth Bang ....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3629)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 05 May 2005
    Posted by Wahab Abdulassis

    To all who are planning to come to China, If you are planning to come to China and will choose Yang-En University, be warned. The university has over a hundred students in each of the classrooms. The classrooms are far away and most of us use bicycles to get to our classrooms. There are two officers that are in charge of the foreign teachers but their English are poor that they have hard time understanding what we tell them. On top of these there....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3642)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 16 May 2005
    Posted by Hoodoo Guru

    Yang En "enjoys" such a terrible reputation on ESL forums that the only foreign teachers it can recruit are those who haven't done their HWK, the completely unqualified and non native speakers. Chinese have an irrational prejudice against the last group, especially if they're not of European appearance. So its a case of "caveat emptor" with this outfit. ....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3695)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 02 Jul 2005
    Posted by Joe Foley

    The following statement from an earlier posting is rubbish - "Yang En "enjoys" such a terrible reputation on ESL forums that the only foreign teachers it can recruit are those who haven't done their HWK, the completely unqualified and non native speakers." As a native speaker with a B.A., B.Ed, and Post Grad. Diploma with 30 years teaching experience in North America and a wife with a B.ScN. and M.Ed, who turned down two other offers from China t....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3676)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 02 Jul 2005
    Posted by John Cappa

    I have read about Yang En University in Australia before accepting a contract for ten months to teach English reading and I have signed another contract for a further 10 months. My impression of this University is not completely positive, especially in regards to the large number of students in each class, over 100, and the lack of a western style library but I must say that we are treated very well here and the students are some of the best I ha....

    Re: Yang-En ‘university’ guards did beat a teacher (views: 3443)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 02 Jul 2005
    Posted by TESall.com

    For more information, try a TESall.com search for "yang-en" ....

    Looking for a ESL job in Norway (views: 5896)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 30 Sep 2004 Posted by Hubert

    I would like to work in Norway as a ESL teacher. Does anyone know how to organize it??? please help and write to hskrzynski@wp.pl Thank you in advance!!! ....

    Re: Looking for a ESL job in Norway (views: 5149)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 18 Jan 2005
    Posted by Barbara

    I am also interested in working in Norway as an English teacher!!!If you know something,please inform me about it!! best regards, Barbara ....

    Re: Looking for Teaching job in Norway (views: 4410)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 06 Jan 2008
    Posted by Saloshni Gyawali

    Hi Sir/Mam I am Teacher in South africa . i am Keen intrseted to teach in Norway. Thanks ....

    Re: Looking for Teaching job in Norway (views: 6254)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 16 Feb 2008
    Posted by Carol Isherwood

    I am Norwegian and noticed that there are people who would like to teach English in Norway. The Norwegian has a very effective English Teaching system in place and I have never known a native speaker to be present in either the public school system or private institutes. In fact, I don't know of any private institutes in Norway. English has been a second language for many years and I have never known them to need native speaker. Incidentally, be ....

    In response to teachers in Norway (views: 5172)

    Europe (Online) - Tue, 08 Dec 2015
    Posted by Kalilya

    Hello, I am one of the few who are looking for a TEFL job in Norway. In the UK, I remember being taught French by both English teachers and French teachers. I am sure your people speak a very high standard of English, and your Norwegian teachers are just as qualified as English teachers. Nobody is trying to offend the Norwegian people by seeking an English teaching job there. However, some parents prefer their children to be exposed to the Br....

    Re: Looking for a ESL job in Norway (views: 4820)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 18 Jan 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    The Norway Post hosts a classified ads section where ESL teachers seeking employment can post a Job Wanted ad: http://www.norwaypost.no/content.asp?folder_id=65&cluster_id=24963 You could try similar postings on Resume Boards like the one here or at Dave's ESL Cafe. I kind of doubt that langauge schools in Norway are forced to surf those, though. ....

    Contacts in Japan (views: 3778)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Sep 2004 Posted by Caroline

    My boyfriend and I (both TESOL certified and with degrees) are looking for teaching positions in Japan, starting in November 2004. Does anyone have any good contacts or know of a good school recruiting at short notice? ....

    Re: Contacts in Japan (views: 4497)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 03 Oct 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    So-called "good" schools usually don't need to recruit on short notice, but anything can happen - sudden resignations, growth in enrolment and the like. The oft-critisized big chains aren't necessarily bad places to teach (as long as you know what you are getting into when you sign-on) and they need teachers on an ongoing basis. Does your TESOL course provide job support? They may be able to put you in touch with participants now teaching in Japa....

    Re: Contacts in Japan (views: 4036)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 02 Oct 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Check out the following sites for job postings in Japan: http://www.gaijinpot.com and http://www.ohayhosensei.com and http://www.eltnews.com The search engine on this site might turn up a few possibilities as well. Just type "Japan" and "November" into the search box at the top of the page. ....

    Looking for a summer job 2005 (views: 4235)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Sep 2004 Posted by Jessica Clauss

    I am currently teaching language arts. I am a teacher of the handicap at the high school level. I teach many students with an array of learning and behaviour disorders. I have my Masters+32 in Psychology and I continue to pursue my education with the hopes of completing my Doctorate. I am interested in teaching overseas next summer. Can anyone help? I am thirty years of age and quite flexible on the location. Thanks. Jess ....

    Re: Looking for a summer job 2005 (views: 3978)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 28 Nov 2004
    Posted by Zobayer

    Hi..I m Zobayer from Turkey.I m Bangladeshi.I m 22 years old. LOOkinfg for a summer job better b2in july 01 to september 30 of 2005. Thanks__ ....

    Re: Looking for a summer job 2005 (views: 4172)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 10 Nov 2004
    Posted by Kevin Reilly

    Hello Jessica, I am retarded and need help...can you teach me? ....

    Re: Looking for a summer job 2005 (views: 3895)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Sep 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    I think you will find your existing teaching experience will transfer nicely into the EFL classroom. Your Master's degree will, of course, look great on your resume. If you're looking for two months of work, give or take, you'll likely be looking at more opportunities in China than anywhere else. If you want to go elsewhere, I suggest being very proactive and writing to schools ASAP to let them know when you are available, why you want to teach t....

    Re: Looking for a summer job 2005 (views: 3831)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 23 Mar 2005
    Posted by Ruslan

    I'm 17 years old student from Lithuania(EU) lokiing for summer job ....

    Re: Looking for a summer job 2005 (views: 4036)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 26 Mar 2005
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    I mean this gently, Ruslan, but between your age and the wording of your message it's unlikely to have much to do with teaching English. Good luck with the hunt, Raoul ....

    Are you a member? (views: 4113)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Sep 2004 Posted by ykle

    I've noticed postings promoting KOTESOL's upcoming conference all over the place of late. I'm currently not a member of any membership organization - with good reason. There is (IMHO) too much focus on workshops and seminars and not enough focus on employment conditions and professionalism. How about you? Are you a member of a TESL/TEFL/TESOL "professional" organization? I am wrong about them all? ....

    Re: Are you a member? (views: 4180)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 26 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Ah, no. I have been in the past (I won't name names). I received invitations to conferences and workshops nowhere near where I was working along with email newswletters and the right to put the membership on my resume. I didn't renew because I literally didn't get anything out of it. ....

    Grassroots Movement on the Horizon? (views: 4145)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 04 Oct 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Existing membership associations DO NOT adequately address the unique nature of EFL teaching, at least not globally. More and more people seem to be realizing this and talking about it. The winds of change may be blowing! ....

    B.Ed TESOL (views: 4705)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 21 Sep 2004 Posted by D.

    Why is there no such thing? I'm talking about an after degree program geared to teaching at home or abroad, K-12 with some adult education thrown in for good measure. The CELTA vs. MA TESOL debate is played out daily on ESL Cafe, but to what end? One's to short, the other (supposedly) too theoretical. Some very educated and experienced teachers on that board (Ari Sha Dupp and Jeff Mohammed are the main players) seem to have fallen victim to the f....

    Re: B.Ed TESOL (views: 4420)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 27 Mar 2005
    Posted by ykle

    The University of Sussex BA in TESOL... http://www.cactusteachers.com/teachertraining/batesol.php ....

    A question for Cambridge (second query) (views: 4318)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 29 Mar 2005
    Posted by tesolguy

    "Why do ESL students in Britain deserve teachers trained in your Faculty of Education with BAs in Education or PGCEs while EFL students overseas are expected to make due with UCLES franchised four week CELTA-trained teachers?" http://www.tesall.com/international/index.pl?read=589 ....

    Re: A question for Cambridge (second query) (views: 4483)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 29 Mar 2005
    Posted by Staight Dope

    Interesting thread!!! Does Cambridge ever answer posts made here or on Dave's? I would really like to hear their response to some of the questions and accusations that are directed at them. /ESL junkie with too much time on his hands ....

    Re: A question for Cambridge (second query) (views: 4241)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 03 Apr 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    "Does Cambridge ever answer posts made here or on Dave's?" No. CELTA course providers and trainers sometimes respond with stock excuses and rhetoric but for the most part the company line seems to be not to comment - period. ....

    U. Sussex BA TESOL (views: 4091)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 28 Mar 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    A question for the Cambridge clique: Is this a legitimate teaching credential despite the fact that UCLES does not externally moderate it? ....

    Re: B.Ed TESOL (views: 4143)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Sep 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    There are B.Eds in TEFL in the UK, aren't there? Regardless, I agree with what you are suggesting, particularly with ESL Cafe's ongoing debate as a backdrop. They're currently debating trainer student ratio (CELTA guarantees a 1:6 ratio at worst). Jeff Mohamed, whose opinions I respect and insight I appreciate, is nonetheless missing the point in wondering whether any Master's degree program can equal that level of attention. Masters degrees are ....

    Practicums vs. Supervised Practice Teaching (views: 5268)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 24 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Now we're getting somewhere! I think that while you have framed the problem well, you have failed to isolate its root: namely, the distinction between what CELTA calls "supervised practice teaching" and what B.Eds offer as "practicums." As you stated, a practicum is weeks, even months long. A student teachers works closely with a mentor during that time with periodic visits from a faculty member. This model is similar (as near as I can tell, anyw....

    Re: Practicums vs. Supervised Practice Teaching (views: 4417)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    Posted by Ari Sha Dupp

    Which is the point I have been making all along. I like the comment about the BEd TESOL, though, Very good point, and i will definitely rasie it next time! ....

    Re: Practicums vs. Supervised Practice Teaching (views: 4256)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 25 Oct 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Keep fighting the good fight, Ari! ....

    Re: Practicums vs. Supervised Practice Teaching (views: 4273)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 06 Nov 2004
    Posted by Ari Sha Dupp

    Thanks to both of you for your support. Your arguments are well grounded and I will definitely raise them next time the issue appears (if it ever comes up again - lol) Soemtimes I feel as if I'm the only one arguing this - there sure is a lot of opposition posters. Nice to get some support. Ari ....

    Re: Practicums vs. Supervised Practice Teaching (views: 4255)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Ari, you should be applauded for taking the debate surrounding teacher training in TESOL to a different level. For too long it has been about which course. I for one - and I suspect I'm not alone in this - am sick and tired of hearing why CELTA and Trinity are better than SIT and TEFL International. The problem now is that while the debate has evolved it remains dichotomized and, I think, unwinnable. So long as the opposition to short courses pro....

    Teaching English in Bolivia (views: 4280)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Sep 2004 Posted by Yasmin Khan

    I want to return to La Paz, Bolivia by June 2005 and teach English. I am a journalist and have had experience teaching children outdoor education. Are there jobs teaching English in La Paz? What is the best certification I can get? ....

    Business Advice (views: 4286)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 14 Sep 2004 Posted by Will

    Check out this site: http://www.theapprenticerules.com It gives business advice based around NBC's The Apprentice. Pretty useful stuff. ....

    Trump this! (views: 4595)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 21 Sep 2004
    Posted by D.

    Donald Trump can kiss my adjectives. Try teaching a bunch of pre-school Korean kids colors, buddy. Making it in New York real estate is easy compared to making it in Seoul's hogwans. ....

    Re: Trump this! (views: 4579)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Sep 2004
    Posted by ykle

    Korea's hogwan's would be less of a challenge if the teachers there had any training. Teaching kids is not that difficult - if you know what you are doing. Japan, Korea and Taiwan attract - for the most part - naive, untrained teachers fresh out of college. Ask ten of them if they would ever consider applying for a job at a preschool in their home country and nine will tell you they wouldn't. Yet there they are, teaching them abroad, and with the....

    Re: Business Advice (views: 4246)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Sheesh! ....

    Language schools and the law (views: 4385)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 Posted by tesolguy

    A couple of recent posts have left me wondering about employers in the world of TEFL. First, I read on ESL Cafe that Bachelor's degrees ARE required to teach in China. That came as a bit of a shock considering how many ads I have seen (not to mention people I know) for teaching positions in China that do not mention BAs. Next, I read via this site's Ticker that a language school in Taiwan has sent a teacher to a kindergarten where he is arrested ....

    Re: Language schools and the law (views: 4480)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Sep 2004
    Posted by ykle

    I keep reading posts from teachers asking about fake degrees. Are teachers knowingly jeopardizing their employers by submitting fraudulent credentials? Trying to peg one element of the industry as the problem is both pointless and missing the point. The whole industry lacks professionalism and respect for itself. ....

    Check out EFL-Law.com (views: 4795)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 14 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    EFL-Law.com no longer confines itself to Korea alone. I would suggest checking it out: http://www.efl-law.com ....

    Any positions to teach english in Hong Kong? Please Email me (views: 4583)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 10 Sep 2004 Posted by Jonathan Kent

    Hi, I am not a fan of the self promoting, but I am having a difficult time finding creditable job opportunities in Hong Kong to teach english. I have a bachelor degree, love the language and want world peace, blah blah blah. Please email me if you have any contacts that you think might assist me in this seemingly dead-end ambition. Cheers, Jonathan ....

    Re: Any positions to teach english in Hong Kong? Please Email me (views: 4567)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 24 Jan 2006
    Posted by steven johnson

    jon, hello, my name is steve. i'm in the same position you're in; i have a BA in english and am looking to teach in hong kong next year, beginning in august. i've just begun looking around, but wanted to ask you if you have any suggestions or leads. best, steve ....

    Re: Any positions to teach english in Hong Kong? P (views: 4358)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 25 Jan 2006
    Posted by kruggle

    Hello, I was actually born in Hong Kong but I moved to Canada when i was pretty young. I only have experience in teaching English in Japan and am actually going to join JET as soon as I graduate. To be honest with you, I think you have a better chance to secure a full-time English teaching job in mainland China. I am not saying it is impossible to secure a job in Hong Kong, but Hong Kong is currently facing a lot of problems regarding having not ....

    Have you tried our job search engine? (views: 4802)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Sep 2004
    Posted by TESall.com

    As you haven't received any replies yet we thought we would throw our two cents in: TESall.com search for "hong kong" Good luck! ....

    Have you tried the NET Scheme? (views: 4408)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 17 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    http://www.ed.gov.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=691&langno=1 ....

    Re: Have you tried the NET Scheme? (views: 4474)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 21 Jan 2005
    Posted by zhongwenman

    Eigoman, Before sending Jonathan off on a wild goose chase, you might have checked that any NET teacher must have at least a certificate of education or degree in education before even having his/her application read. ....

    Re: Have you tried the NET Scheme? (views: 4455)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 21 Jan 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    Research is research! I don't consider looking into options - even those a person may or may not currently qualify for - to be a wild goose chase. Even if he doesn't currently have the required credentials, learning more about the NET Scheme might inspire Jonathan to put off going abroad and instead return to school to get a B.Ed or to look to Japan and JET for a similar program with lesser requirements - who knows? Whatever the case, it's good t....

    offering high salary for english tutor (views: 4698)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 07 Sep 2004 Posted by aver

    Offering high salary for English Tutor Hi My name is Titan from Taiwan and working with my family in Guang Dong, China now looking for a native English speaker to teach my brother David as a tutor in our company. Here are some futures of this offer as below: 1. Salary 1,470 USD/Mon (negotiable) 2. location: 5 min from www.jiahuagrandhotel.com 3. website: www.kingball.com 4. contact person: Titan Lan 5. contact email: titan@kingball.com 6. for mor....

    Re: offering high salary for english tutor (views: 4654)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 12 Sep 2004
    Posted by NateM

    Shouldn't this be on the Worldwide Job Board? Nathan Mittelstaedt Nate's China School Review http://www.ChinaSchoolReview.com ....

    Re: offering high salary for english tutor (views: 4657)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Sep 2004
    Posted by TESall.com

    Yes, it should. For a while we were immediately deleting job ads from the discussion forum but then somebody replied to a job ad placed by a recruiter with an insightful posting about recruiters and how to choose one. Our preference remains for job vacancies to be posted to the Worldwide Job Board. Those that are placed here will ultimately be deleted. ....

    Labour Day - Ya, right! (views: 4518)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Sep 2004 Posted by ykle

    Anyone ever notice who is "off" and who is still working on "labour" day? Long weekends are about spending nowadays; trips to the cottage, so-called "Labour Sales" at electronics retailers, matinee movies. The only people working are the labourers themselves! Those that make money from them are off, spending money and enjoying themselves. ....

    Re: Labour Day - Ya, right! (views: 4872)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 09 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    And this has what to do with teaching English, ykle? ....

    Professionalism - What's that? (views: 4959)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 Posted by eigoman

    Is it just me or is the business (I'm not talking just teachers here, but schools, teacher training programs and pretty much everyone else involved in Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages) of language teaching as unprofessional as a would-be profession can get? ....

    TEFL is not a profession *per se* (views: 4712)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 09 Sep 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Teaching English abroad is not a profession. Teaching English to speakers of other languages is, no question, in general terms. That is why you will find teachers who are professionals teaching abroad, but only incidently. It's like law as far as I am concerned. It's a profession, but it still has its ambulance chasers. ....

    Re: TEFL is not a profession *per se* (views: 4407)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 17 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Overseas English teachers are the ambulance chasers of the TESOL profession???? Of all the nerve!!! In addition to being insulting and completely unfounded, that analogy reveals... /continues to feign indignance as the reality of the situation sinks in and his self-esteem as a TEFLer dwindles to nothing ....

    Re: Professionalism - What's that? (views: 4765)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Sep 2004
    Posted by ykle

    It's not just you. ....

    Re: Professionalism - What's that? (views: 4747)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 09 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    I've heard that before (and said it myself to others). Maybe that's the problem. We teach English - speaking in particular. We're all talk, no action. ....

    CELTA CELTA CELTA !!! (views: 5505)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Posted by ykle

    "CELTA or equivalent." How many times have you seen this on a job ad? I'm not talking about jobs in Korea or China, I'm talking about jobs in Europe and sometimes Latin America. What does "equivalant" mean? ....

    Re: CELTA CELTA CELTA !!! (views: 4853)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Sep 2004
    Posted by Metal Image

    well i was told that its basically the same prog, except for toefl, which is higherlevel ....

    TOEFL vs. TESOL (views: 6521)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    TOEFL is a test for English students. TESOL is a certificate designation for teachers and the generalized term that describes the teaching we all do, be it ESL or EFL. It is also a membership organization. ....

    TESOL vs. The Telfers (views: 5050)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Sep 2004
    Posted by ykle

    Too Enamoured with Selves at home to care about Others teaching English overseas and Looking for support. ....

    Huh? (views: 4950)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 09 Sep 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    As I understand it, TESOL Inc. in an organization for *ESL* teachers in the United States. TEFL issues are most likely beyond their mandate and of little concern to their membership. ....

    Newbie Primer (views: 4943)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Sep 2004
    Posted by TESall.com

    Check out our Newbie Primer page for more on the various acronyms associated with teacher training and everything else TESOL-related: http://www.tesall.com/newbie.html ....

    Re: Newbie Primer (views: 4944)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    It is amazing to me how few people who work as English teachers actually understand the terms of the trade. And I'm not talking about newbies, either! I don't know how many times I have heard people say things like, "I just got back from seven years of teaching ESL in Japan." Really? When did Japan become an English speaking nation? Some people think it isn't a big deal, but to me it's lazy, even irresponsible. Understanding how ESL and EFL diffe....

    Re: CELTA CELTA CELTA !!! (views: 5164)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 31 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    My understanding is that "equivalent" is: 1) That the course be at minimum 100 hours in class; 2) That the course include a minimum of six hours of supervised practise teaching; 3) That the course be externally moderated. ....

    BLAH BLAH BLAH !!! (views: 5245)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 30 Aug 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Good question! There has been a lot of talk about this (directly and indirectly) on Dave's of late. According to CELTA propenents, the only real "equivalent" is Trinity TESOL because, like CELTA, it is "externally moderated." Interestingly enough, it came out on Dave's that CELTA's moderation isn't all that external afterall. Trainers from other CELTA centres evaluate their fellow trainers. Hmmm.... ....

    Great Guardian Article (views: 4880)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 04 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    If you haven't read this article yet (it was on the Ticker today), you should: http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/story/0,5500,1220371,00.html The CELTA saga continues! ....

    IATQUO and the reality of the situation (views: 6892)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Sep 2004
    Posted by ykle

    The CELTA saga will play on and on until people stop butting heads and start working together. Not that that is likely to happen! I give kudos to TEFL International for backing IATQUO in the creation of a truly independent *and* universal validating body. If some CELTA and Trinity courses would buy in (which they won't), our industry would leap forward significanly with regard to professionalism. ....

    Re: IATQUO and the reality of the situation (views: 4972)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 09 Sep 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    True. It's a "two ends of the same stick" scenario for me, though. If TESOL Inc. (or some other major body) would expand their mandate, a universal accrediting body would become a reality instantaneously. If you ask me, that route is a lot shorter and easier than building something like IATQUO from scratch. ....

    I vote for IATEFL (views: 5036)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Sep 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    I agree with eigoman. IATEFL, with its focus on teaching English as a Foreign Language, is the most logical choice though, not TESOL Inc. Anyone a member of IATEFL? Has it ever considered doing something about accreditation of courses? ....

    Re: I vote for IATEFL (views: 5267)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 15 Oct 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    IATEFL has so-called institutional members. They're not accredited as I understand the term, but they are somehow affiliated. Interestingly, ITC is one of them and, according to posts made on this board and ESL Cafe as well, allegedly on the verge of bankruptcy and in the process of bilking students out of their deposits. Can IATEFL do something about this? Will it investigate? Can students who have not received refunds appeal to IATEFL to have I....

    IFFY IFFY IFFY (views: 5107)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 31 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Following that logic, it should be sufficient for one McDonald's to be inspected by management from another. No need for an independent and, dare I say, actually "external" health inspector. I have no doubt that CELTA is a great course. I only wish its promoters would focus on the product (teachers) and not the process (smoke and mirrors). ....

    teacher trainer (views: 5132)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 19 Aug 2004 Posted by Birgit

    hi there! I have been teaching English as a foreign language for 3 years and am interested in becoming a teacher trainer. I've been involved in teacher training for the last year but I'd like to know whether I need a qualification for this. I live and work in south africa ....

    The Experience and Ability Factors (views: 5168)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 23 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    In my opinion, experience and ability should be considered every bit as much as qualifications when it comes to choosing teacher trainers. Training native speakers to teach is a lot different than teaching non-native speakers to speak. ....

    Re: The Experience and Ability Factors (views: 5074)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 25 Aug 2004
    Posted by lurkerdude

    This is an excellent point. I could really care less what pieces of paper a trainer has on his or her wall. What they know is only half the equation. How well they can convey it is much more important and no course or credential will make someone a "trainer" of teachers... IMHO. ....

    Re: teacher trainer (views: 5159)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 22 Aug 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    You don't "need" a particular qualification, though different courses request different credentials. For example, to train on a CELTA course you'll likely need a DELTA plus "x" years of experience. Some independent courses require certification plus a master's degree. Others, particularly short courses, may only require overseas teaching experience and a certificate. The Boland School actually offers a qualification in teacher training but I'm no....

    Re: teacher trainer (views: 4871)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 23 Aug 2004
    Posted by Birgit

    Thanks for yor response. I'd like to know where the Boland school is you mentioned, I live in Cape Town. Birgit ....

    Boland School (views: 5758)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 23 Aug 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Here is the URL for the Boland School's program: http://www.boland-iettc.com/ For more feedback on requirements for teacher trainers, credential options, etc., I would recommend checking out the Teacher Training Forum on Dave's ESL Cafe: http://eslcafe.com/discussion/dz1/ ....

    Boland School (views: 5145)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 12 Sep 2005
    Posted by susan

    BED & BREAKFAST close to that school------Hi there, I have a nice new suite-room in my apartment for rent: King size bed, wardrobe, lamp, flower, air-condition, shower room (inside the bedroom), wide band internet, and with western breakfast! The room rate is Rmb 140/night for one guest, and Rmb 170 /night for two guests. Travel info (traffic, shopping, sight seeing etc, in English, German, Chinese) and laundry are provided free. Long term rental....

    Online TEFL Courses (views: 5426)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 19 Aug 2004 Posted by tesolguy

    Has anyone taken one? How does it differ from simply reading a book? Are you assigned a tutor with whom you can actually converse? Can you watch video of real teachers really teaching? I know the answers likely vary from course to course, but in general terms I can't help wondering how do these things work. ....

    Re: Online TEFL Courses (views: 5164)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 24 Aug 2004
    Posted by D.

    I have no doubt that there are quality courses out there (University of Saskatchewan, English International, etc.) but they remain "online" or "distance" courses just the same. However they are delivered, the bottom line (for me, anyway) is that it must be lacking in one way or another. Why? Because there is not such thing as an online or distance Bachelor of Education program. Enough said. ....

    Re: Online TEFL Courses (views: 5223)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 25 Aug 2004
    Posted by lurkerdude

    I agree. If distance/online learning worked in TESOL, we would all be out of work. Why pay for teachers to travel to Japan, Brazil, etc. when you can study with a native speaker via the Internet from their home in Armpit, North Dakota? ....

    Drawing lines (views: 4944)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 30 Aug 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Some things (many things?) can be done by distance, some not. I'm not so sure teacher training specific to ESL/EFL instruction can't. We're not surgeons or even lawyers. For the most part we teach conversational English, a language most of us speak fluently. ....

    Re: Drawing lines (views: 5168)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 31 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Excellent point! Maybe we need to first distinguish what type of teacher we are talking about before we try to determine what type of training they require. Conversational English teachers in large chain schools with set curricula and standardized delivery methodologies aren't necessarily even "teachers," are they? They're more like facilitators. But for teachers - real lesson planning, language imparting educators - is online TEFL training enoug....

    work for a native (views: 5741)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 16 Aug 2004 Posted by dany

    Hello from Poland.we are very much interested in getting in touch with a native speaker who would like to come to Poland and teach here.We are a private school in Cracow, big beautiful city in the south of the country.Time of all the applications finishes at the end of September.We need a teacher starting from October.if you're interested contact: theanka@tlen.pl Thank You! ....

    Please post job openings on the Worldwide Job Board (views: 5244)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 15 Aug 2004 Posted by TESall.com

    This board is for discussions only. Please post job openings here: http://www.tesall.com/jobboard/index.pl Thank you. ....

    Teach English and Travel in Beautiful Korea-Paid Teaching Opportunities- (views: 5449)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 12 Aug 2004 Posted by EFLJOB.Com

    Hello. Greetings from Korea! EFLJOB.Com is a recruitment agency that hires EFL(English as a Foreign Language) full time instructors to teach conversational English in Korea. We're currently seeking qualified instructors for openings starting in September/October in Korea. Compensation and Benefits *$1,700-2,000 USD of monthly salary *Visa Sponsorship *Roundtrip Airfare *Medical Insurance *Rent-free fully Furnished Housing *Paid Vacation *Finishin....

    Re: Teach English and Travel in Beautiful Korea-Paid Teaching Opportunities- (views: 5066)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 19 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Some questions to ask when considering a job posted by a recruiter: 1) How soon will I have to start teaching after I arrive? 2) Can I see pictures of the apartment I'll be living in? 3) How close to the school is my apartment? 4) What is the breakdown of contact hours to preparation time in the total number of hours quoted in the job offer? 5) Have you, as the recruiter, been to this school yourself? Have you interviewed the teachers, talked to ....

    insane (views: 5968)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 10 Aug 2004 Posted by Metal Image

    the guy thats in china who wants to hire me has totally screwed me up.. hes given me about 10 days to get all my stuff together.. my visas, my tickets (with no money) and everything.. what am i supposed to do? ....

    Re: insane (views: 5501)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 11 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Schools often need teachers quickly for quite legitimate reasons. Don't be rushed into anything, though, if you haven't completely done your homework on the school, the city, etc. You need to be sure that this is the job you want in a place you will enjoy living. If you aren't ready practically and psychologically, and if you're feeling rushed, still worrying about homesickness, etc. you likely won't be getting off on the right foot. That said, t....

    Re: Done (views: 5148)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 12 Aug 2004
    Posted by Metal Image

    I had to tell the guy in china that i couldnt come cause he wanted me to shell ut a lot of money like to the tune of 1250 just to get over there with no money to live on for a whole month and then he might reemburse me at the end of the monte.. i told him to wait till next semester cause i cant do that... imgonna have to try something else. and the guy from equador hasnt even sent me a slaary and wants me there like tomorrow! what the hell! ....

    its so close (views: 5180)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 10 Aug 2004 Posted by Metal Image

    i got a PHONE CALL! the guy called me just like a few hours ago.. he wants to know if i've made my final desicion.. i told him that i have to get my fare together for the haf i have to pay (im only going six months and i only get half the airfare) ....

    Culture Shock -- Expectation/Realizations (views: 5785)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 06 Aug 2004 Posted by Eddie

    My name is Eddie Mills and I'm the Director of the International Education Exchange Association, Inc. (IEEA -- www.ieea-china.org). My family and I really enjoy our life in China and we wish to help Hainan through education and poverty relief efforts. We have had the honor of dining with the Vice-premier of China, the various officials from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing and Hainan Province as well as other officials from various prov....

    Re: Culture Shock -- Expectation/Realizations (views: 5384)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 09 Aug 2004
    Posted by Chris

    Hi there, As a 'soon-to-be-teacher' travelling to teach for the first time I read your post with interest . I have to say that your recommendations and insight make very good sense, I also read the post on the provided link about culture shock and ways to counteract it's effects. My question is this: Are there any good links to teaching position postings in Hainan? I would love to apply for some positions in this apparently beautiful location but....

    Try a search (views: 5147)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 09 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Did you try using the search box at the top of the page. I only got two results for "hainan" when I tried it, but the results are updated often (daily?). Good luck! ....

    Re: Culture Shock -- Expectation/Realizations (views: 5485)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 06 Aug 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Many of those tips are good advice for any country, Eddie. Nicely said. For me, one of the most important things you brought up was the difference between being a tourist and being a teacher. A lot of teachers don't get that. ....

    lil worried (views: 5495)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 05 Aug 2004 Posted by Metal Image

    i might have a real shot at a job finally.. One that sounds promising in china.. but im a little bit scared at the prospect of going that far away from my family.. any one got any advice? ....

    Re: lil worried (views: 5191)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 06 Aug 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Good for you, Metal Image. Don't worry too much about being homesick. Getting a job offer now usually means leaving in the fall and getting homesick just in time for winter. You'll likely be somewhere warm or at the very least mild by comparison. Knowing you're missing a blizzard or a cold snap is a great cure for homesickness! ....

    Par for the course (views: 5899)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 06 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    First off, congratulations! I hope you get the job and its a good one. Have you done all your research? As for homesickness, it's completely normal. Most teachers experience it, usually within the grander scheme of culture shock. The fact that you are aware you are probably going to miss your family is a good thing. My advice? There is not sure-fire technique, but the following suggestions may help: 1) Make friends with other teachers. They becom....

    need female teacher, who can help us? (views: 5430)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 04 Aug 2004 Posted by steele

    hi, we are a primary goverment school from Luoyan, Henan province in China, which is famous for the 9 dynasty history, Dragon Status, Chinese gongfu, the first temple of China, all kinds of sepecially foods and hospitalities people. more detals please check the Http://www.hnly.com > > now i give you the school's introduction, if you are interesting, please give me your requirements, so the school will try to meet you! please send mail to steele51....

    Anyone heared of this guy? (views: 5423)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 03 Aug 2004 Posted by Cautious

    I'm in communication with a Beijing recruiter and I'm slightly dubious as to his bona fides. Does anyone know of "marc george" or "marc dowel" he advertises in Thats Shanghai magazine and his company name is Beijing Orient Symbol co I declined his offer to come to Beijing and then sign a contract. I'd be an idiot to fly around the world on an email promise. It's a seeming lack of established and logical procedure that I find worrying. The job? He....

    Re: Anyone heared of this guy? (views: 5578)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 04 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    As much as I like this site, I would highly recommend posting this question on the China (Job-related) forum of Dave's ESL Cafe: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=58a6e61e3da0ae0ad5da964f140f321f There are more and more posters here, but I haven't heard from many (any?) with significant China experience. The guy sounds a bit iffy to me, but it could be inexperience as much as anything else. Still, do you want to be the teach....

    Re: Anyone heared of this guy? (views: 5289)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 04 Aug 2004
    Posted by Cautious

    Many thanks TESOLGUY. I'll heed your advice. ....

    Re: Anyone heared of this guy? (views: 5005)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 06 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    Keep us posted, Cautious. Good luck! ....

    is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 20865)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 30 Jul 2004 Posted by Linds

    Hi, I've been doing more research and came across footprints recruiting. I've been trying to find some people who have worked for them. Anyone know anything about them - whether they're good or bad? ....


    Online (Online) - Fri, 13 Jun 2008
    Posted by Marc Morgenstern

    Footprints IS NOT reliable, and it is my considered opinion that their recruiting practices are shady, as well as illegal. I am a 45-year old owner of an independent consulting firm based in New York City, with over 15 years of exoerience in ESL instruction, including the NEw York City public schools and premier private ESL language schools in NYC, including Zoni Language Group. Consulting jobs had been scarce this year, and I had considered teac....

    Re: If you think that post was good - check this out! (views: 5763)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 21 Jun 2008
    Posted by touché

    The gentleman that posted above also posted the exact same post on Dave's ESL Cafe and proceeded to get slaughtered for it - so much so that he deleted most of his original posts. Seriously - this is great stuff - http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=125730&highlight=footprints ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5741)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 05 Feb 2008
    Posted by CrazyK24

    My experience with Footprints wasn't very good at all. I was constantly being ignored when I sent emails and voicemails to ask what were important questions to me. When my interview time was messed up, I called, and the woman working there was very snarky with me. I eventually had to decide not to go with them, and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. ....

    re: Footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 6083)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 31 Oct 2008
    Posted by MG

    Similar experience, initial registration with Footprints resulted in delays in email responses, messed up telephone interview times and the FP rep being snarky on the phone. When I was sent e-mails with the list of available jobs the FP rep merely put me in contact with the school directly and that was the end of the FP involvement, particularly the South Korean reps (who were not Korean by the way). Using my own initiative I found my own contrac....

    Re: is footprints/Longbridge recruiting reputable? (views: 5372)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 18 Sep 2007
    Posted by Moe

    I wanted to know from former teachers or anyone knew from a friend of a friend if Longbridge Pacific recruiting services are reliable and reputable? ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 7384)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 27 Feb 2006
    Posted by Brian

    Footprints is a great recruiter. Before teaching overseas I dutifully looked on all the message boards and tried to get as much information as positive and in the process told myself that I didn't want to become jaded like so many of those that are on these boards. Funny thing is I have way more time on my hands and feel it's important to get accurate information out to those that are looking for specific answers to their questions to make inform....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5441)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 22 Apr 2007
    Posted by Alina

    I have had a good experience with Footprints Recruiting. Their responses are always immediate and helpful. It is nice to have a Western party on your side when dealing with foreign schools, particulary with the Chinese. All of the problems I have had have been with the school here in China, mostly a result of cultural differences, and even then it is not as bad as some of the stories I've heard. Teachers at my school are the highest paid of the f....

    The not-likely-to-be-final word on Footprints (views: 5471)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 08 Jul 2007
    Posted by GoTeacher

    I think the bottom line with Footprints has to be that, on the whole, they are pretty good at what they do and most teachers are pretty happy with the service they receive. ....

    This has been informative... (views: 5368)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 29 Jul 2007
    Posted by Nic

    I'm in the process of doing post-offer research on Footprints and the education in Daegu, Korea, where I will go if I accept. I started this research before getting an offer and now, after reading this forum, I am just as unsure of a decision as before. Seems like ANY entity will make some people happy and leave others dissatisfied. I do agree however, that trying to go to a country to find a job can lead you in circles since most employers want ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 6241)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Feb 2006
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    I'm sincerely very glad you had a good experience with a recruiter. This brings the number of credible (I assume you don't work for the Footprints organization) such posts I've read about ANY recruiter up to a number I can still count on one hand...after about 5 years of reading posts. I still stick to my long-term advice: avoid using a recruiter. Decent jobs in decent places usually don't need them and usually neither do diligent teachers. Do th....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5657)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 15 Apr 2007
    Posted by Mark Johnston

    Raoul, You sir, are a fool. I am sorry, I have been reading these boards for a long time and you simply give bad advice again and again. Good jobs do NOT stand on their own. They do not appear like a beacon of shining light. Not only that but schools that are in financial difficulty frequently do not use recruiters just for that reason. They post there own jobs, therefore making the school postings just as much a mine field as you make the recrui....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5029)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 10 Jan 2006
    Posted by James Sherwood

    My friend and I found our teaching positions in China through Footprints Recruiting and it has been a disaster ever since the beginning. They misrepresented the school we were headed to, claiming it was close to Shanghai. We arrived here to discover our school is out in the middle of nowhere. We contacted Footprints to see if they could move us to another location and they were of no help whatsoever. We figured that since they got us in this posi....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5192)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Jun 2005
    Posted by Former teacher

    Reputable? Yes. Helpful? No. Once you're placed, they're not much use. They'll answer questions to sell the job to you, but you can forget about ever getting detailed information on the job or the country. They're more interested in the commission than in telling you the truth. And if you're not happy with your job placement (read: pig in a poke), their only concern is their legal concern, not you. They don't consider problems to be their problem....

    The hand that feeds them (views: 5083)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Jun 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    Reputable but not reliable. I think your post speaks to the grander scheme problem with the recruiting industry as it currently operates. Schools pay, teachers don't. I see teachers posting almost daily advising other teachers never to pay for a recruiters services. That is all well and good as far as things go currently, but teachers seem quick to forget that after they are placed. Not that I don't hear what you are saying, Former Teacher. I do.....

    Re: The hand that feeds them (views: 4833)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Jun 2005
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    Actually, I for one go a step further. I advise not using recruiters _period_, no matter who pays. Using a school-paid recruiter may be even worse... in such a case the recruiter definitely isn't working for _you_. I still maintain that good schools with good jobs don't need recruiters. It's the schools that are badly run and/or offering substandard pay and treatment and/or are located in true hellholes that must turn to recruiters to fill their ....

    Re: The hand that feeds them (views: 5422)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Jun 2005
    Posted by tesolguy

    Re: "I still maintain that good schools with good jobs don't need recruiters." and "The TEFL internet overrunneth with horror stories about recruiters." I agree with both these statements, Raoul. I'm not sure, however, that recruiters per se are the problem but rather *recruiting* as it exists. When you consider the vast distances, language barriers and occupational hurdles involved with teaching English overseas, someone acting in an agent capac....

    Re: The hand that feeds them (views: 5242)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 24 Jun 2005
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    I agree with you...theoretically. If the recruiters ever really worked _on behalf of_ those rookie teachers I'd be all for 'em. If using an agent truly improved one's chances of getting a positive work experience, I'd be all for 'em. Just doesn't jibe with reality. I've read of precious few (approaching zero) credible good encounters with recruiting agents. Even allowing for the fact that people are more likely to go to extra trouble to complain ....

    Re: The hand that feeds them (views: 4850)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 25 Jun 2005
    Posted by tesolguy

    "I agree with you...theoretically." And I agree with you...realistically. The recruitment and employment culture of the EFL industry is fundamentally flawed. Teachers in the know advise new teachers to never pay for a recruiter--and that's good advice! But it shouldn't be. Can you imagine professional athletes using agents paid for by their teams? ....

    Re: The hand that feeds them (views: 5320)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 26 Jun 2005
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    Yup. A little help navigating these shark-infested waters would be most welcome...especially for the newbies. Unfortunately it just isn't there...at least not from the recruiters. And yeah...it should be. ....

    The hands we feed (views: 5117)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Jun 2005
    Posted by tesolguy

    What do you think of the industry's various membership organizations, Raoul? In my opinion, this is another example of something meaningful they could do. As it stands, most of them seem to do little more than send out journals and newsletters, host conferences and offer professional development opportunities to invidual teachers. How about offering to help devleop the profession itself for all teachers? Membership organizations owe ESL/EFL teach....

    Re: The hands we feed (views: 4994)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Jun 2005
    Posted by Raoul Duke

    'Guy, I'm with you...I've found these associations to be pretty much ineffectual wanking societies. No teeth and no impact. I don't think these would ever have much effect on the realities of English schools in places like China or Korea. However, there is some potential there for education...and education is what could ultimately make some difference. IMHO the only organization that currently has anything close to the real reach needed to make a....

    The Asian EFL Journal initiative (views: 5245)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Jun 2005
    Posted by TESall.com

    We recently posted a Ticker link to a Guardian article on the possible formation of an EFL teacher's union following the Asian EFL Journal conference in Pusan. ....

    Re: The Asian EFL Journal initiative (views: 5434)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 07 Jul 2005
    Posted by Yikes

    Oh, no, please no unions...PLEASE! The Guardian??? That bastion of left-wing propaganda???!!! YIKES! There is a reason why unions are on a serious decline in the world, and even non-existent in some industries...Try managing a union throughout multiple countries, cultures and agendas...Not happening. ....

    Re: The Asian EFL Journal initiative (views: 5010)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 23 Jul 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    I don't know much about the global state of trade unions -- organized labour as many of us understand it (strikes, picket lines, etc.) may well be in decline. Professionalization, however, is not. Associations with varying mandates exist for many labour segments. They do for TEFL as well. The problem is, those that do don't do much. Another thread on this site seems to imply that IATEFL may be on the verge of change that. One can only hope! ....

    Comment on previous posting (views: 5280)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 25 Jul 2005
    Posted by Peter

    It is possible that the previous post refers to a posting I made about IATEFL. I would like to clarify that IATEFL currently has no plans to become an accrediting body and it was not my intention to imply this in anyway. IATEFL is open to discussion of new roles and ways forward. If the industry at large felt there would be an advantage of IATEFL moving into a field already crowded with specialists, then I am sure these ideas would be welcomed an....

    Re: Comment on previous posting (views: 4997)

    Online (Online) - Tue, 26 Jul 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    "If the industry at large felt there would be an advantage of IATEFL moving into a field..." Unfortunately, the "industry at large" is dominated by CELTA and Trinity and neither institution has any desire to see the creation of a universal accrediting body. Sorry if I misinterpreted your previous posting. ....

    Re: Comment on previous posting (views: 5053)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 27 Jul 2005
    Posted by Peter

    By the the "industry at large" I had meant the likes of you and I eigoman, and all the other teachers or would-be-teachers who might potentially benefit from such body I agree that TCL and UCLES are without doubt quietly content with the way things currently stand... but how would we, as teachers/middle management/senior management, benefit from such a body and what would we, as teachers/middle management/senior management, want from it? Whilst m....

    Re: Comment on previous posting (views: 5066)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 03 Aug 2005
    Posted by tesolguy

    When you speak of "good reason" and "justifiable explanation" I think of professionalism and the very raison d'etre for most of these organizations. Their mandates suggest we are a profession and that they are its standard bearers but the industry reality is anything but professional and its membership organizations status-quo bearers at best. ....

    The end of certificate branding as a substitute for accreditation (views: 5085)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 03 Aug 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    "Whilst many people on this and other forums shout loudly the need for such an accrediting body, it is hard to find good reason for this or a justifiable explanation of what the benefits might be..." I touched on this point in another thread on this forum: http://www.tesall.com/international/index.pl?read=1618 We need look no further than the public school systems in our various home countries to find the most important benefit as far as I am con....

    Re: The end of certificate branding as a substitut (views: 5356)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 04 Aug 2005
    Posted by BD

    It'll never happen. The TEFL, TESOL, CELTA, etc, is a for profit enterprise. ....

    Crunch time at Cambridge? (views: 5158)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 05 Aug 2005
    Posted by eigoman

    You're probably right, at least from without. But from within I wonder if Cambridge is capable of rationalizing its own inconsistencies. I don't think they have ever been taken to task for offer one standard of training (through its Faculty of Education) for domestic teachers and another (through UCLES) for overseas English teachers. Why doesn't Cambridge's Faculty of Education offer a PGCE in TEFL? Other UK universities are starting to. When pus....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5386)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 24 Sep 2004
    Posted by Corinne

    i just wanted to post a message in case the person who emailed me in response to my posting about footprints sees this. i have accidentally deleted the email and as such cannot reply! so if this is you, feel free to email again. i'd be happy to give more info... ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5157)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 10 Sep 2004
    Posted by missmo

    I have worked with them, and they have been exceptional. Like many people, I did my researh before committing, and they have proved to be knowledgeable and respectful. They won't lead you astray and keep in contact with you the whole time. ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5334)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 10 Aug 2007
    Posted by mastertae

    Hi I was wondering if anyone knows about this company. I saw them on monster: gooddaykorea ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5193)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 31 Jul 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    I haven't dealt with them, so I can't comment personally. In terms of general advice, I would suggest checking out EFL-Law.com for a list of things to consider when choosing a recruiter: http://www.efl-law.com/recruit_law.html ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 8083)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 02 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    You can also check the Veracity Review at Hogwan.com: http://www.hogwan.com/veracity/recruiters.php ....

    My bad experience with footprints (views: 3842)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 16 Dec 2005
    Posted by Jessica

    I am sure the woman who originally posted the question has long gone on her adventures around the world. Hopefully she found a satisfying job. My fiance and I found a job in Japan through footprints. It was awful, we had problems with our company in Japan from the beginning. I believe that footprint knew very little about the company they were placing us with in Japan. Apparently (although not confirmed) they do most of their business elsewhere w....

    Good Experience With Footprints (views: 5657)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 24 Sep 2007
    Posted by JA

    I have read a few of the negative responses posted about Footprints and I can sympathize, but I don't agree. I found Footprints online by mistake when I was looking to see about teaching overseas. I exhausted them with questions and did a lot of research. I even turned down 3 contracts before finally agreeing on one. I think it's about research and talking to other people who have done it. I discovered that I had to look for contracts that stated....

    Re: Good Experience With Footprints (views: 5286)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 11 Nov 2007
    Posted by Don

    You don't need a B'ed to work in a public school in Korea. Any bachelors degree will do. Hours are usually 9-5 M-F. The schedule is easier but there is usually only one foreign teacher in any school. Your responsible for developing your own lessons and curriculum for summer / winter camps so some kind of tefl / celta training is defeinitely helpful. You will experience many last minute changes to class length, days off, and generally being out of....

    Re: Good Experience With Footprints (views: 5424)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 27 Sep 2007
    Posted by Susan

    JA: what other questions did you ask Footprints? And to work in the public schools one needs a B'Ed right? Can I just ask you: what kind of questions were you asked during the interview stage? Thanks ....

    another bad experience with footprints recruiting (views: 5626)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 07 Jan 2006
    Posted by LZ

    I wouldn't count on them. As some of the other posters said, they're working to get their commissions and care very little about the teachers. I started looking at jobs in China with them and it was one empty promise after another. Job descriptions changed, jobs that they promised me later required additional interviews and obstacles. Initially I felt like I had found a really great company to help me find a job in a field where I was very unfami....

    Nice (views: 5312)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 09 Jan 2006
    Posted by Rheno747

    Congrats on getting the job you like. Yeap, flying to a country you're interested in and hitting the pavement (and pressing palms) is the best (maybe ONLY) way to find the job you really want in TEFL. The plane ticket may be something you'll have to eat, but it's good insurance. ....

    All together now:....... (views: 5449)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 17 Dec 2005
    Posted by Rheno747

    All together now in one great shout: Don't sign a contract until you arrive at your new school and check it out. ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5799)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 26 Aug 2004
    Posted by cestal

    I've heard they are indeed reputable. My TESOL instructor recommended them, and i have a friend who is headed over to korea next week after dealing with them... ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5267)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 13 Oct 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    How did things go for your friend? ....

    FOOTPRINTS hiring criteria illegal (views: 5348)

    Online (Online) - Thu, 28 Dec 2006
    Posted by Skybird

    Footprints restricts their jobs to degree holders only even though the country or posting may not require a degree. A job MUST be available to ALL applicants legally eligible to work when they have the skills that job. That is the law. ....

    Re: FOOTPRINTS hiring criteria illegal (views: 5551)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 24 Sep 2007
    Posted by JA

    You must remember however, that it depends on the country. Since Footprints hires many teachers to work in Asia and the culture bases a lot of weight on education, then it is fitting that the qualified candidate needs to hold at least a Bachelor's degree. Notwithstanding, to teach in either the US or Canada, a candidate must hold a Bachelor's degree and in many cases, a Master's so why should the requirements be any different for jobs overseas? ....

    Re: FOOTPRINTS hiring criteria illegal (views: 6065)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 29 Sep 2007
    Posted by eigoman

    As Footprints gets bigger and bigger, it seems to be more and more of a target. You can't please everyone all the time. As far as this thread goes, there are two opinions I would like to leave readers with: 1) that Footprints does not have an illegal hiring criteria; 2) that Footprints from everything I have heard a pretty good company to deal with. ....

    I recommend Korea Connections over Footprints (views: 6023)

    Online (Online) - Sun, 06 Apr 2008
    Posted by Heather

    I understand that there are only a number of selected recruiters each year for the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education. Footsprints is one of them. But I recommend Korea Connections(www.koreaconnections.net) who is also one of the selected recruiters for Seoul Public Schools. One person takes care of you from beginning to arrival and does their best to get answers to questions. ....

    Footprints FALSE ads (views: 5697)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 14 Jun 2008
    Posted by Jane

    Footprints now seems to be hiring with no degree for Korea which is only possible for the Korean second generations. So it doesn't make sense for an add to be places as if you could go to Korea wihtout a degree. Especially after a few postings that stress that they hire per law. ....

    Re: Footprints FALSE ads (views: 5704)

    Online (Online) - Sat, 21 Jun 2008
    Posted by john

    Hey Jane - you might want to check out the following link to the Korean Ministry of Education website for the TaLK program - http://talk.mest.go.kr/ A program for people with only 2 years of postsecondary education completed (either a comleted diploma or Associates degree OR 2 year of their Bachelors degree) to teach in rural public schools in Korea. ....

    Re: FOOTPRINTS hiring criteria illegal (views: 5560)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 03 Jan 2007
    Posted by eigoman

    Where exactly is that the law? Every Canadian in Canada is legally eligible to work but that doesn't mean that the University of Toronto can't require a Ph.D for faculty positions. Just because a Bachelor's degree isn't a requirement for a visa doesn't mean a school or recruiter is breaking the law by requiring one for a teaching position. ....

    Re: is footprints recruiting reputable? (views: 5214)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 05 Nov 2004
    Posted by Linds

    Which friend are we referring to? Cause the friend that I know that is going to South Korea, she is going with Footprints. I am also going with them, but to Taiwan. I leave next month :-) ....

    Checklist (views: 5448)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 02 Aug 2004
    Posted by D.

    Questions to ask: 1) Has the recruiter been to the school? 2) Has the recruiter seen the apartment? 3) Has the recruiter successfully placed teachers there in the past? 4) Can you have their email addresses? Things to do: 1) Search for the school and the recruiter at Dave's ESL Cafe, both the Job Information Journal and the Job Discussion Forum. 2) Check with the Better Business Bureau to make sure there aren't unresolved complaints against the r....

    To someone who lost his money. (views: 5109)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 30 Jul 2004 Posted by jhay

    To someone who lost his money. If you have any money you couldn't still get paid or you were promised to receive but couldn't from work(Hagwon) while you were teaching in Korea or until the time you left Korea, you can have the chance to get the money back. Accidentally, I found some disappointing complaints on the internet which was about malicious late payment or non-payment by Hagwon owner. Some people worked hard to be taken a couple month's ....

    Re: To someone who lost his money. (views: 5262)

    Online (Online) - Mon, 02 Aug 2004
    Posted by tesolguy

    This sounds a lot like those lotteries that ask you to put down a deposit before you collect your money. ....

    Re: To someone who lost his money. (views: 5356)

    Online (Online) - Fri, 30 Jul 2004
    Posted by eigoman

    Sounds good, maybe too good (to be true?). How do you help teachers retrieve their money? Do you charge a fee? No offense. You may well be trying to a very noble thing. If that is the case, good for you and all the best. My advice? If you have a legal problem in Korea, start with http://www.efl-law.com ....

    Guidelines - Please read before posting (views: 5704)

    Online (Online) - Wed, 30 Jun 2004 Posted by TESall.com

    [UPDATED JANUARY 26, 2005] TESall.com encourages users to post and reply to postings in the International Job Discussion Forum. To ensure the user experience is as inclusive and beneficial as possible, the following guidelines must be followed: 1) NO JOB POSTINGS! Please post job vacancies here. 2) NO SPAMMING! If you would like to generate traffic for your website, please submit it to our links page. 3) NO TROLLING! There is nothing wrong with a....